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Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 01:57:00 - [1] The point is to determine which are the most effective means of building a corporate reputation via notoriety and what type of pirate* to hire. After researching this forum in order to form a business plan, I am attempting to narrow the focus of probable corporate efforts. The two goals are notoriety, profitability and an enticing work/play environment. Scamming it its many glorious facets will not be part of the corp activities unless the corp is the victim of said scamming. Thank you for all replies. Disclaimer: This is in no way an anthropological or social engineering experiment and has nothing to do with Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:14:00 - [2] Originally by: SK PIMPALICIOUS me, ofc. Perhaps others would care to comment with regards to their knowledge of you, your corp, your alliance and your killboard stats.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Mou'adib Originally by: Queue K'Umber Originally by: SK PIMPALICIOUS me, ofc. Perhaps others would care to comment with regards to their knowledge of you, your corp, your alliance and your killboard stats. The United http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/ranking.php?type=corp nuff said I wish it were possible to capture metrics on the context of a given kill. Was it a strategic op where friendly losses were acceptable such as a diversion? Sadly, such things are open to manipulation.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux RAK and its offspring In the absence of supporting information I shall attempt to C/D. Thank you.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi eve-university I have been unable to verify that they are actively engaged in piracy as their primary endeavor. Nice Clint Smith quote in your bio. Thunder Ranch FTW.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 03:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim GNARKILL Genos, The black rabbits, veto I was unfamiliar with VETO. Thank you. It is easy to imagine why The Black Rabbits have earned notoriety if their recruiting ad is to be believed.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 03:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Queue K'Umber Originally by: Jim GNARKILL Genos, The black rabbits, veto I was unfamiliar with VETO. Thank you. It is easy to imagine why The Black Rabbits have earned notoriety if their recruiting ad is to be believed. I'm going to assume that my lack of familiarity with VETO. is what has shocked you. Is it possible that they inspire dirty undergarments and hurt feelings in real life to players other than noobs and hulkamaniacs?
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 03:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux RAK and its offspring Google is coming up with player names with apostrophes. RAK Associates C/D?
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 04:27:00 - [9] At the risk of inflicting a comedy kill on an actual productive discussion I must tend to an issue more unpleasant than death by lag. It has been suggested to me privately that Rancer Defense League be considered. Rancer Defense League will not be considered.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 05:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Queue K''Umber on 30/03/2009 05:14:09 Nobody has mentioned REPO. Their campaign section on their killboard is quite full. And that Hans Gates gentleman has a very large number.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 16:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Tuberider Go on jump we'll make ya famous You increased my fame within my noob corp exponentially when first you first violenced my fail kestrel. Subsequent to our interaction my presence was met with pointed fingers and open laughter.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 21:04:00 - [12] Originally by: The PitBoss Originally by: Mou'adib Privateers are not pirates. they don't act anything like a pirate corp. The original idea of privs was awsome, i will not deny this. But living in highsec and running wardecs has nothing to do with being an outlaw. I beg to differ ... Piracy has NOTHING to do with losing security status and being an outlaw. Just because we PVP with CONCORD's blessing doesn't mean we're no less of pirates than the pilot that tanks sentry guns and kills ships. We all may have different ideas on what 'piracy' is BUT we're in it for a few of the same reasons ... PVP and ISK ... and maybe SOME griefing Do Privateers engage in group activities that incur security standing penalties?
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 21:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: plastastic probably the best pirate corps of all time :VETO, Muffin factory, Privateers, Idle Empire go IDLE!!!!!! (although honestly, as of recent times we are like the first pancake, bit over cooked here, bit lumpy there, and that spot looks perfect) as I don't have any experience with any other pirate corps I must vote IDLE, even though I am quite sure there is someone better out there. If you guys are the first pancake I don't want to be anywhere near the second one. Several of your corp mates have the shorts-dirtying habit of arriving at my destination before I do and with violent intent. I appreciate the alacrity and aclarity with which IDLE attempt to rearrange my ship's pixels and delete it's row in CCP's database.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 22:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Gothar Midalk fail veto alt-post is fail. Would you care to be specific or ignored?
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 23:34:00 - [15] Originally by: GeneralMartok Edited by: GeneralMartok on 30/03/2009 23:22:04 Obvious Answer is Obvious http://bl3h-united.com/?a=corp_detail will paint a better picture than the fake mails on BC by a certain butt hurt ex member are we the best pirates in eve?, doubtful, but you could make an argument are we the absolute best at what we do?, without a doubt. The problem with the word "best" is that it is ambiguous. The problem that I'm finding is that the metrics submitted to the killboard system are subject to manipulation and misinterpretation. They also lack context and don't show certain important aspects of a particular kill as discussed in previous posts. What you take as obvious is, in fact, somewhat murky depending on one's experience and perspective. What is not ambiguous in any way is that I will never travel through Rancer. That is a subjective but clear measure of notoriety.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.30 23:56:00 - [16] GeneralMartok, I have never before been subject to strong negative reactions to large green numbers such as those on your killboard. Were I capable of imitating Monte Burns of Simpsons fame I would say "Excellent".
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.31 01:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Removal Tool Are any of those styles commonly known as the "Bald Eagle"? On a tangent, with the ferocious rate of destruction of ships as evidenced by the killboards I have been perusing it speaks volumes about the frequency of mining and rate of production that must be occurring.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.31 19:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Alowishus .......you're both pretty **ing moody sometimes. I think it goes with the territory of being a leader. I've been around the ing block and back. You have to have a monstrous ego and be a hardass to make a successful organization in Eve. A really great organization will have multiple ultra-egos collaborating**. But this only ends one way and that is the inevitable split. I've seen it many, many times. Oh well. This seems to be the only common denominator between past and present corporations, of any variety, that are successful. Impressive killboards and notoriety seem to be byproducts of charismatic and competent leadership.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.03.31 21:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Capt Lothar I like wormholez, do you like wormholez too? Yes. They are the most attractive holes in the entire universe. The communications discipline exhibited by certain pirate corps vis a vis the use of local reminds me of two cheerleaders in an abandoned house attempting to locate one another vocally while being stalked by a multitude of telepathic serial killers.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Gothar Midalk Originally by: Queue K'Umber Originally by: Gothar Midalk fail veto alt-post is fail. Would you care to be specific or ignored? yeah, let's see. a guy named cucumber, 5.5 months old in an npc corp, asking attention-trolling questions like 'who is best pirate corp?' not like veto hasn't done it before. just gets tiresome. Where did I use the word 'best'? I clearly and deliberately avoided that word. There is no 'best' because such and idea is a matter of widely diverging opinion. Of the many discussions on C&P, this one has been unusually focused and substantive. My profit motive was clearly explained in the initial post. The majority of respondents, Lana Torrin included, have been kind enough to share their opinions and analysis. I, and I hope others, have learned a great deal of the various ways extra-legal predatory organizations operate and collect metrics on their organizations for process improvement. Perhaps your apparent dissatisfaction with VETO could be resolved with violence?
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.04.02 23:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Verone lol, I just got linked here and some of the hate and personal attacks are awesome. Reminds why I pretty much gave up on this forum as a cesspool of jaded ex-counterstrike players with a hardon for killboard stats. Gotta love it... To answer the question in the OP: Ghost Festival get my vote as one of the best, The United have Rancer sealed down pretty well too and are well known for their forum presence and blockading of Rancer and the systems next to it, and althought Beyond Divinity hate our guts for no apparent reason I still have respect for a few of their members regardless of how much hilarious smack they pump out at us. Other than that, pirate corporations seem to come and go as fast as the weather changes, there's only a select few of the old names that still exist, which is a shame to see really. Thank you for pointing out Ghost Festival. I will research their killboard metrics. BYDI went after and may still be pursuing a policy of high sec gank and and subsequent ransom of hulk pilots that gained them instant forum notoriety. I can state from personal experience that their notoriety quickly spread through parts of Lonetrek and The Forge and through no efforts on my part. I do not know the exact details of their character security status rehabilitation but they clearly implied that they were capable of exerting ruinous in-game pressure on players in NPC corporations as well as player created corporations in pursuit of their goal. Several unverifiable attestations were posted to the thread that I read this in. Their stated primary goal was rather more ambitious than mere money. They proclaimed that their goal was to remove the pleasure and profit of mining because the pleasure of PVP had been ruined due to game balance changes made by CCP. Perhaps the character that I am paraphrasing or a knowledgeable member of BYDI would be kind enough to confirm or deny the accuracy of my recollection.
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.04.09 14:07:00 - [22] There is no 'best'. That was not the stated point of this discussion despite the frequent mention of such an ambiguous idea. Villwrath, thank you for your response. Your undertaking has earned you notoriety that even I have seen discussed in game. I know of at least one miner in Lonetrek that switched to a Covetor out of fear. Your activities had a great deal to do with my recent and pleasant change of career from mining to this thing we call piracy but are unable to clearly define. Jalif, your illustration decomposed the elements of this discussion into comprehensible pieces that can be assigned a subjective weight. Larkonis Trassler, this thread has been anything but pointless. I learned quite a lot regrading mechanics, perceptions and operations. Perhaps the debating of subjective assertions, such as who is "best", as if they were fact is pointless? Which brings me to Omnimarvelous and others. "Best" and "notorious" are not equivalent in all cases. Speaking as a relative newcomer, there are pirate organizations that I legitimately fear in game. There are others that I enjoy antagonizing due to their ineptitude. When I describe my interaction with the former, I create or perpetuate notoriety. When I describe my interaction with the latter, I create or perpetuate something quite unlike notoriety. Perhaps it is contempt. Those organizations will remain nameless unless they name themselves. The business plan I originally mentioned seems workable enough. The topic of recruiting bona fide ransomers, campers, flippers, gankers and fleet commanders is a topic for another discussion in another forum.

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